A very good friend of mine named Vince named this disc. I grew up as a free style frisbee thrower and love this disc. I can park it at the basket by stalling it right, left, or floating it straight down the middle from anywhere within 180 feet away. I have two that were given to me from the very first batch ever made years ago and can control them easily. Disc golf is not always about the 400 ft drives... It's also about the short game, especially in the wooded courses. I've been throwing since the late 70's and disc's have evolved so much. I started out with Wham-O Frisbee and still go back to the basics which is the Upshot.

Not sure why the reviews are so bad. This thing is slightly understable but most of the time flies straight in the chains! The plastic isn't the best but pretty durable for what it is. I'd say in between innova dx and other disc retro burst style plastics. I would recommend to someone learning to putt or throw due to the nature of its straight line flight.  Good for approach shots as well! Worth the $10> for sure!

Absolutey acceptable lid. Do not buy under any circumstances (unless you like lids for floaty approaches, warming up with some catch before a round, air hops under low ceilings, etc.)  It's an old school disc golf disc.

Absolutely awful disc. Do not buy under any circumstances. Closer to a catch frisbee than a legitimate disc golf disc. Doesn't even come close to being usable.