My Pinnacle Nemesis has the same listed flight numbers as my Viking Berserker (a disc that I really like and has worked decently well for beginners, even), except it shows a higher glide; however, in testing both repeatedly together along with some other discs (similar, but 9 and 11 speeds), I don't see that this warrants a 6 glide versus the 5 glide of the others. The numbers otherwise seem appropriate, and the typical flight patterns and distance were very much on par with the Berserker. I will say that it is discernibly less understable than its 9-speed sibling the Mongoose, which also has a -3 turn, so maybe the Mongoose should be rated -3.5 instead. The Mongoose virtually always requires some hyzer release (except maybe for newbies), while the Nemesis can still give a full flight with flat releases on the same or higher power. Since the Berserker has worked pretty well with a number of beginners, I assume the Nemesis should as well. For power throwers, this should make a good hyzer-flip disc and perhaps a roller, as needed. The Pinnacle plastic is similar to Champion in it's feel and appearance; hopefully it will prove as durable over time.

I got my first Nemesis in a Foundation Discs Mystery Box with a Supreme Flight stamp on it. At first, I had a love/hate relationship with this disc due to how understable it is and how poorly i would throw. Now, my bag is not complete without one. Very understable distance driver, very good for learners.

Perfect beginner disc that can always stay in your bag. Consist aniyher with enough speed and fade to finish hyzer or straight forever.  The new run pinnacle is the most stable and durable run of nemesis!